fascinating. so there never has been, and never will be, a set of values that are non-religious in their creation? really?
March 27, 2008
The creation of religion?
fascinating. so there never has been, and never will be, a set of values that are non-religious in their creation? really?
March 13, 2008
a working day
Coffee Overdose says:
hello
Peter says:
how are you?
Coffee Overdose says:
super thank you
Peter says:
sorry, i haven’t asked henk for those phd things yet
Peter says:
you sound happy
Coffee Overdose says:
don’t worry
Coffee Overdose says:
I’ve realised that I am Divine
Peter says:
why this sudden insight?
Coffee Overdose says:
I’ve been thinking a lot lately about all this stuff
Coffee Overdose says:
Gnostic experiential knowledge
Coffee Overdose says:
and all that
Peter says:
aha, and?
Coffee Overdose says:
well, I rather enjoy it
Peter says:
the gnostic bit or the experiential bit?
Coffee Overdose says:
I’m not really an expert on gnostic belief to be honest
Coffee Overdose says:
but I’ve been thinking about manifested consciousness
Peter says:
that’s good. Gnostic, as far as I see it, has become some sort of way of giving a vague sense of spirituality to our experiences of consciousness, woithout actually saying God?
Peter says:
Is that right?
Coffee Overdose says:
It’s saying that all that you perceive is God, i.e. you, as creator of the universe of manifested symbols
Coffee Overdose says:
Hence my being Divine
Peter says:
I see.
Peter says:
oh, that means I am too!
Coffee Overdose says:
yes, you may be another consciousness
Peter says:
or, of course it means that god is human
Coffee Overdose says:
and I have no idea what your perceived universe is like
Peter says:
which is true too. That was the whole point of Christ of course
Coffee Overdose says:
yes, it seems that organised religions come very close but miss the point when they get enmeshed in objective reality somewhere “out there” and transcendentalist ideas as separatism
Peter says:
Gnosticism seems to me to be basically a european version of Buddhism in some sense. No difference between the microcosm and the macrocosm, it is all cosmos.
Peter says:
we are all divine because we are all part of the cosmos etc.
Coffee Overdose says:
yes, that sort of thing…. but then there’s the question of what exactly the cosmos is
Peter says:
well, yes, though as an old materialist I wuold of course say that it just is. We jus5t have to find some way of coing to realise that and deal with it
Coffee Overdose says:
some other way of what?
Coffee Overdose says:
coming to realise
Coffee Overdose says:
I see now
Coffee Overdose says:
how would we realise it?
Coffee Overdose says:
How can we know what reality is outside of human observation?
Peter says:
coming to realise that the cosmos is and that wea re part of it, nbut not the centre of it. OUr perception is just a by-product of our being human.
Peter says:
well, of course what we know of hte univrese is conditioned by our perception but its existence isn’t predicated on our perception.
Peter says:
It predates us and it will post-date us as a species
Coffee Overdose says:
how can we know that?
Coffee Overdose says:
there is no valid test
Peter says:
because we have physical evidence
Coffee Overdose says:
but how can we qualify that?
Peter says:
We qualidfy it all the time through scientific analysis and discopvery and the gradual development of our knowledge of the world outseide perception
Coffee Overdose says:
but scientific knowledge has shown itself to be entirely malleable and contextually contingent
Peter says:
of course it is contingent, but it is contingent upon reality, not perception.
Coffee Overdose says:
so reality changes?
Peter says:
no, our perception of reality changes as we become more aware of its concrete nature
Coffee Overdose says:
right… so the more we learn, the more correct our knowledge
Peter says:
yes, though of course, with the proviso that it is alwasy provisional
Peter says:
but of course we are talking about two types of reality as well. IN the first case there is a concrete reality which exists outside of human perception adn which we use our deveeolping perception to interpret, and then ther eis the reality of human perception which is never complete or true but only approoximate.
Coffee Overdose says:
All I can say, and even this is without certainty, is that I feel that I am perceiving reality
Coffee Overdose says:
from there I have to posit a belief
Peter says:
that’s fine, that’s what I eman by the second sort of realtiy, rpovisional, uncertain, incoplete etc. but it is not the whole story. Ther is also a reality which is independent of presception.
Peter says:
Descartes got it the wrong way round. I am therefore I think, should be the motto for life!
Peter says:
The way that I am determines the way that I think but existence is primary
Coffee Overdose says:
yes…though I’m finding it increasingly difficult to think of it as a manifest existence
Coffee Overdose says:
but there seems to be credence in the idea of there being an infinite expanse of symbols
Peter says:
Yes, I think that is true, but there are not only symbols. Ther is also an infinite expanse of reality. the symbols go alonside that reality, sometimes touch, sometimes get close to explaining but reality is there too.
Peter says:
to believe that there are only symbols is the height of anthropocentrism
Coffee Overdose says:
yes, infinite realities for all reflexive symbols (consciousness)
Coffee Overdose says:
which do not need to be human
Peter says:
If “The Clever Animals” as Nietzsche called us were to all die out tomorrow, reality would still exist
Coffee Overdose says:
but what did he mean by Uebermensch?
Coffee Overdose says:
that’s what I’m thinking about
Peter says:
someone who comes to realise what I just said!
Peter says:
Amor Fati etc.
Peter says:
The Ubermescnh is the Ja Sager, the person who says yes to his own fate and insifgnificance